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I got a spam and it led me to this site

We get e-mail about once a month that says that. What's happening - are we spamming ads out for our anti-spam site?

No. No way.

There are two things that we have seen happen semi-regularly in the past.

  1. Some ISPs, when they cancel a web site because the owner has spammed an ad for it, point the URL at an anti-spam site. We believe that this is done in order to help educate the general public about spam, and to show that the ISP is anti-spam. Unfortunately, because this is done with no explanation, it makes it look as if we spammed an ad linking to our site.
  2. Sometimes spammers get mad at anti-spammers and send out spam with the anti-spammer's name, address or web site in the spam. This is called a joe-job and some people take it as evidence that they've "arrived" as anti-spammers if someone joe-jobs them. It's done, of course, to try to create trouble for the person being joe-jobbed.

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There is one other case we've seen, but not on a recurring basis. In this case, someone kept getting pages at a place called "usuck.com" and spamming out ads for those pages. The pages had something called a frame - for an example of frames, see Scott Hazen Mueller's home page - and they put our home page inside of a frame so that it looked like our page was hosted at that site. We added a little javascript code to our home page to stop that from working, since we were getting a lot of complaints, and stopped that one cold.
 

What not to do about spam

There is one cardinal rule to remember when dealing with spammers and rogue sites: we must hold the high moral ground.

Therefore, when dealing with a spammer or a rogue site, don't:

  • Threaten violence or vandalism;
  • Mailbomb the site;
  • Mailbomb the alleged spammer, who may be an innocent third party such as myself;
  • Ping-storm or SYN-flood the site;
  • Hack into the site;
  • Try in any way to bring the site down illegally.
And above all else, don't use spam to fight spam. This also applies in Usenet - don't follow up to spam postings, lest your posting also become spam.

 

Should I hit "remove"?

A lot of the spam that we get and that people write to us about comes with instructions on how to "remove yourself from our list". Yet, more often than not, the remove instructions don't work. Why is this?

Basically, you've just experienced what many call "rule #1": Spammers lie.

Remove lists don't work. Even the United States government has noticed this: "We are also working on (spam) cases that involve claims that you can opt out, when in fact what clicking on the link to unsubscribe will do is simply verify that you have a valid e-mail address, so that you can then get lots of spam instead of a little," said Howard Beales, director of the FTC's Bureau of Consumer Protection. In this story, Computerworld of New Zealand documents an experiment in which they demonstrate that remove lists really don't work.

Don't waste your time trying to jump through the spammers' hoops. Plenty of people have documented the fact that not only do remove lists not work, they do exactly what Mr. Beales says: they verify to the spammer that your e-mail address is good, and so then they put it on the premium CD and sell it to the next spammer for even more money.

In one case, an anti-spammer went to a remove-list web site and noticed that he'd been removed from the list, supposedly, even though he hadn't given them his address. So, he went into debugging mode, using telnet to access the raw HTML of the server directly, and discovered that it just gave you the same answer no matter what. In other words, the whole thing was a complete and utter fraud. Some spammers put more effort into their fakery, but in the end it comes down to the same thing: it does you no good to follow the removal instructions.

 

 
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